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		<title>By: Seth Godin is Right, &#8220;Good&#8221; Products Suck&#160;&#124;&#160;Rocket Watcher by April Dunford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Godin is Right, &#8220;Good&#8221; Products Suck&#160;&#124;&#160;Rocket Watcher by April Dunford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don Jarrell</title>
		<link>http://www.productbeautiful.com/2009/01/04/have-we-entered-the-post-product-management-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Jarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, late to the party, sorry.  Been listening to Seth&#039;s provocative comments for years and love the discussion they stimulate.  I believe this one contains multiple subtle points (including the &quot;good&quot;/remarkable gap) and jumping off points for the readers&#039; own views.  I believe one lead point is about our addiction to improvement.  Do you feel a PdM or product with steady 86% performance for 3 years is better, or one with year-over-year improvement of 10% reaching 84% ?  That year-over-year growth is more likely with a product with some room for improvement.  Most would agree that the first is more likely to see a later decline, and that may be what Seth means by dangerous.

Additionally, I see a slight inverse sarcasm about real skill in PdMgrs.   If the product is not good, there will be criticisms and evidence and probably some indication of direction, making the job clear.  There are several ways to move &#039;up&#039;.  Hungry markets pay attention to change.  When the product is good and performing well, many product managers will want to do little to avoid screwing up the cash cow.  It takes *more* skill, then, and cajones to find the more complex, non-obvious thing that would kick it up or make the success more sustainable in a dynamic, entropic world while risking several ways to move &#039;down&#039;.

So, I don&#039;t think we are post-PdM at all.  It just takes more to stand out as a PdMgr or as an accomplishment of PdM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, late to the party, sorry.  Been listening to Seth&#8217;s provocative comments for years and love the discussion they stimulate.  I believe this one contains multiple subtle points (including the &#8220;good&#8221;/remarkable gap) and jumping off points for the readers&#8217; own views.  I believe one lead point is about our addiction to improvement.  Do you feel a PdM or product with steady 86% performance for 3 years is better, or one with year-over-year improvement of 10% reaching 84% ?  That year-over-year growth is more likely with a product with some room for improvement.  Most would agree that the first is more likely to see a later decline, and that may be what Seth means by dangerous.</p>
<p>Additionally, I see a slight inverse sarcasm about real skill in PdMgrs.   If the product is not good, there will be criticisms and evidence and probably some indication of direction, making the job clear.  There are several ways to move &#8216;up&#8217;.  Hungry markets pay attention to change.  When the product is good and performing well, many product managers will want to do little to avoid screwing up the cash cow.  It takes *more* skill, then, and cajones to find the more complex, non-obvious thing that would kick it up or make the success more sustainable in a dynamic, entropic world while risking several ways to move &#8216;down&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t think we are post-PdM at all.  It just takes more to stand out as a PdMgr or as an accomplishment of PdM.</p>
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		<title>By: David Locke</title>
		<link>http://www.productbeautiful.com/2009/01/04/have-we-entered-the-post-product-management-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-1694</link>
		<dc:creator>David Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PC microprocessors commonditized back in October of 2000. Software commoditized all the time, but during the dot bust, everything commoditized. This has nothing to do with whether the underlying technology still has headroom. It&#039;s a matter of whether customers will pay for the additional improvement in functionality. 

When a category leaves Moore&#039;s tornado, it faces an explosion in fast following copy cats, and it faces price-based competition. That is one face of commoditization. The customer&#039;s are not yet unwilling to pay for improvements, but they are very close to that point. 

When you cross over into Moore&#039;s late market, or the consumer market, you are commoditized by the utility economics of SaaS, or the commodity nature of the consumer market. That a lot of software skips the product stage and goes directly to the service stage means that they jump right into a commodity market. 

As for solutions, enterprise software was always sold as a solution via solution selling. 

Even with a great product fighting off the fast followers, maintaining the margins, transitioning Moore&#039;s serial markets, and avoiding the stock stall makes product marketing difficult. Nothing is static. The market lifecycle isn&#039;t particularly slow, particularly when you start out in the late market. 

When everything is easier, get harder. Get harder, because it&#039;s just as easy for your fast followers. Getting harder will put you further ahead of them, because if they were going to work hard, they&#039;d have come up with their own idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PC microprocessors commonditized back in October of 2000. Software commoditized all the time, but during the dot bust, everything commoditized. This has nothing to do with whether the underlying technology still has headroom. It&#8217;s a matter of whether customers will pay for the additional improvement in functionality. </p>
<p>When a category leaves Moore&#8217;s tornado, it faces an explosion in fast following copy cats, and it faces price-based competition. That is one face of commoditization. The customer&#8217;s are not yet unwilling to pay for improvements, but they are very close to that point. </p>
<p>When you cross over into Moore&#8217;s late market, or the consumer market, you are commoditized by the utility economics of SaaS, or the commodity nature of the consumer market. That a lot of software skips the product stage and goes directly to the service stage means that they jump right into a commodity market. </p>
<p>As for solutions, enterprise software was always sold as a solution via solution selling. </p>
<p>Even with a great product fighting off the fast followers, maintaining the margins, transitioning Moore&#8217;s serial markets, and avoiding the stock stall makes product marketing difficult. Nothing is static. The market lifecycle isn&#8217;t particularly slow, particularly when you start out in the late market. </p>
<p>When everything is easier, get harder. Get harder, because it&#8217;s just as easy for your fast followers. Getting harder will put you further ahead of them, because if they were going to work hard, they&#8217;d have come up with their own idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Huth</title>
		<link>http://www.productbeautiful.com/2009/01/04/have-we-entered-the-post-product-management-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Huth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to the question is really &quot;it depends&quot;.  It depends on the industry.  If we&#039;re talking about non-durable goods like household chemicals and laundry detergent then yes it is a post-product management economy.

However, high-tech or more specifically software systems which I believe the original post is targeting, the answer is &quot;no&quot; and probably &quot;never&quot;.  The reason being primarily the amount of innovation in high-tech.  Problems, that may not even be recognized as problems today, will be solved through innovation.  For example, 8 or even 5 years ago who thought it was a problem that you couldn&#039;t get e-mail on a mobile device?  Today it is almost mandatory.  

As long as there are a steady stream of new problems to solve, and innovation will make sure there is, it will be easier to fight becoming a commodity.  It will happen to specific technologies but that is when you reposition and reinvent.

I liked the couple of posts on solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to the question is really &#8220;it depends&#8221;.  It depends on the industry.  If we&#8217;re talking about non-durable goods like household chemicals and laundry detergent then yes it is a post-product management economy.</p>
<p>However, high-tech or more specifically software systems which I believe the original post is targeting, the answer is &#8220;no&#8221; and probably &#8220;never&#8221;.  The reason being primarily the amount of innovation in high-tech.  Problems, that may not even be recognized as problems today, will be solved through innovation.  For example, 8 or even 5 years ago who thought it was a problem that you couldn&#8217;t get e-mail on a mobile device?  Today it is almost mandatory.  </p>
<p>As long as there are a steady stream of new problems to solve, and innovation will make sure there is, it will be easier to fight becoming a commodity.  It will happen to specific technologies but that is when you reposition and reinvent.</p>
<p>I liked the couple of posts on solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Jim Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.productbeautiful.com/2009/01/04/have-we-entered-the-post-product-management-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Jim Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Dave hit the answer on the head - yes, we&#039;ve moved on from an economy that was product focused. We are now in a solution based economy where the customer wants their problem to be solved and it may require more than your product to do it.

Remember, the reason that the iPod was such a hit was not just the hardware product, but also the online service. Together these products created a solution that was irresistible. 



- Dr. Jim Anderson
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.TheAccidentalPM.com/&quot; title=&quot;The Accidental Product Manager Blog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Accidental PM Blog&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;Learn How Product Managers Can Be Successful And Get The Respect That They Deserve&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Dave hit the answer on the head &#8211; yes, we&#8217;ve moved on from an economy that was product focused. We are now in a solution based economy where the customer wants their problem to be solved and it may require more than your product to do it.</p>
<p>Remember, the reason that the iPod was such a hit was not just the hardware product, but also the online service. Together these products created a solution that was irresistible. </p>
<p>- Dr. Jim Anderson<br />
<a href="http://www.TheAccidentalPM.com/" title="The Accidental Product Manager Blog" rel="nofollow">The Accidental PM Blog</a><br />
&#8220;Learn How Product Managers Can Be Successful And Get The Respect That They Deserve&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Griggs</title>
		<link>http://www.productbeautiful.com/2009/01/04/have-we-entered-the-post-product-management-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Griggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godin is simply saying that a &quot;good&quot; product is not a remarkable product.  And that&#039;s his primary premise on product development... if it&#039;s not remarkable, then it&#039;s not really good.    

Product managers in consumer goods know it best, the hard work comes when the competitors product looks just like yours.  Sometimes it means adding more green crystals!

My experience tells me that product management is more important as products mature and the differentiation gaps begin to narrow between the competition.  It just - at times - may not feel as satisfying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godin is simply saying that a &#8220;good&#8221; product is not a remarkable product.  And that&#8217;s his primary premise on product development&#8230; if it&#8217;s not remarkable, then it&#8217;s not really good.    </p>
<p>Product managers in consumer goods know it best, the hard work comes when the competitors product looks just like yours.  Sometimes it means adding more green crystals!</p>
<p>My experience tells me that product management is more important as products mature and the differentiation gaps begin to narrow between the competition.  It just &#8211; at times &#8211; may not feel as satisfying.</p>
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		<title>By: Product Management Weekly Reader: 15Jan09 &#124; The Productologist: Exploring the Depths of Product Management</title>
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		<dc:creator>Product Management Weekly Reader: 15Jan09 &#124; The Productologist: Exploring the Depths of Product Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Worth The Read &#171; i need a reality check</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth The Read &#171; i need a reality check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roger L. Cauvin</title>
		<link>http://www.productbeautiful.com/2009/01/04/have-we-entered-the-post-product-management-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger L. Cauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Godin&#039;s point was that we should strive for remarkable products, not just ones that are &quot;good&quot; by conventional standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Godin&#8217;s point was that we should strive for remarkable products, not just ones that are &#8220;good&#8221; by conventional standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Seth&#039;s post as saying not that he&#039;d rather have a good or bad product, but that he&#039;d rather have a polarizing product--one that people react strongly to. Like the Prius: Lots of people hate it; some absolutely love it, but few people are neutral about it.

It&#039;s the &quot;good&quot; products that are commoditized to the point where customers just don&#039;t care. (IMO)
-Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Seth&#8217;s post as saying not that he&#8217;d rather have a good or bad product, but that he&#8217;d rather have a polarizing product&#8211;one that people react strongly to. Like the Prius: Lots of people hate it; some absolutely love it, but few people are neutral about it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the &#8220;good&#8221; products that are commoditized to the point where customers just don&#8217;t care. (IMO)<br />
-Mark</p>
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